LOTR Q

I finally watched all 3 installments of The Lord of the Rings. We watched 1 and 2 Sunday and finished 3 last night. I liked it. I’ve seen 1 a couple of times and 2 once or twice. This time I really enjoyed all 3. I think I needed to watch them back to back to back to really enjoy them.

But I have a question. Why did the evil white wizard (whatever his name is — the Count Dooku guy…names were confusing in the movies) lose his power? Seemed like a little flood washed out his little slave hole and he lost his power? I didn’t get that.

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  • read the book…(I know – but a movie is a book on DVD!)

    The imagery is awesome – his words became powerless – much like the words of the enemy when we have on the armor…

  • rob

    still don’t get it. how did his words become powerless? what did that? as far as I could tell, some trees flooded out his stuff, but he and his tower were still there. can’t he still do his magic from there?

  • Lee

    First: dude, read the books! (someone has to say it).

    Second (speaking from books + movies): 1) I think Saruman put a great deal of trust in the physical defenses, small army, and machines he had built up in Isengard. Seeing that wiped away in one blow by the ents was unexpected and hard on him as he had no plan for it. 2) Certainly he lost his confidence from that, but he also lost his authority among the Good by turning to evil. The wizards are actually angelic-ish beings put in Middle-Earth to work against Evil. By turning from his “calling” or “charge” he should necessarily lose some of his authority and power. And by that same authority, Gandalf could break Saruman’s staff. 3) The wizards each have their specialties. Saruman is more of a scholar (settling down in Isengard, focusing more on the power of voice). He probably didn’t have enough raw power to stop attacking ents.

    Third: seriously, and no offense intended, read the books! The movies are indeed great – the books with all their depth and nuance are even better.

  • rob

    Now that makes some sense. Thanks, Lee. Maybe I’ll read them. This was really my first introduction to the series.

  • Lee

    No problem – I’m glad my Tolkien nerdiness has finally come in handy. Some nitpicky complaints aside, the movies really are good in and of themselves. It’s too bad that some points like the one you brought up just can’t get the explanation behind them they deserve. Just one problem with that medium (shrug).

  • I could be wrong, but I think Saruman’s power was greatly diminished when he lost his staff. That is why Gandalf was insistent about taking his staff into the hall of Theoden: without it, he would have be unable to do what he did.

  • actually he became powerless when he realized that he couldn’t kill his son…so instead he turned and killed the emporerer inste..

    wait…sorry – wrong movie.